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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2012 at 1:09pm
CASE: HAF X
PSU: Corsair ax1200
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS SABERTOOTH X79
MEMORY: Gskill {RipjawsZ} F3-12800CL10Q2-64GBBZL (8Gx8)
HSF: Corsair H80 Hydro CPU Liquid Cooling System
CPU: 2011 I7 3930k
Videocard: EVGA GTX 690
STORAGE: (3) (All in friont bays)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Boot Drive)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Storage for down the road)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Storage for down the road)
WD SATA III HD: Crucial 256gb M4 SSD
Soundcard: HT Omega eClaro pci-e x1
DVD Burner Plextor brand
DVD Blu Ray Burner Plextor Brand
CARD READER: AFT  57U
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  Quote MrLilGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 1:40pm
i would like to know how the i7 3930k and the H80 combo turns out, i've been thinking about this setup myself.

Is the H80 adequate enough?
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 2:51pm
Hello MrLilGuy,
 
 
Welcome to AVAForums! Always great to see new users on here. Smile
 
Yes, the Intel i7 3930k processor and Corsair H80 liquid cooling systems are a great pair. Many people use them for overclocking, but even then temperatures areslightlyy better than an air cooler. Keep in mind, the H80 is a closed-loop cooling system, so it does not requiremaintenancee. However, like any liquid cooling system, you do run the risk of leaks so we recommend you keep an eye on your system internally to be safe. Additionally, many people will turn to the H80, not entirely for better temperatures, but for lower noise levels as well.
 
Feel free to post any other questions you may have.
 
 
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 5:09pm
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Hello MrLilGuy,
 
 
Welcome to AVAForums! Always great to see new users on here. Smile
 
Yes, the Intel i7 3930k processor and Corsair H80 liquid cooling systems are a great pair. Many people use them for overclocking, but even then temperatures areslightlyy better than an air cooler. Keep in mind, the H80 is a closed-loop cooling system, so it does not requiremaintenancee. However, like any liquid cooling system, you do run the risk of leaks so we recommend you keep an eye on your system internally to be safe. Additionally, many people will turn to the H80, not entirely for better temperatures, but for lower noise levels as well.
 
Feel free to post any other questions you may have.
 
 
 
 
How often should you check for leaks?  What air cooled HSF would you use on this rig?
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 5:28pm

If you have a window on your side panel, I'd say everytime you boot up the computer, while it posts. If you leave it on, just check once a day; a quick glance should do.

You could use either or; I personally like the idea of using a liquid cooling system, to remove the hotter ambient temperature added from an air cooler.
 
 
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  Quote vikonic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2012 at 9:53am
It also depends where the leak happens. I've seen several units that leaked at the radiator. Usually, this area is not a big of a problem. Worst case scenario it will leak on top of the PSU and make it dirty. It would be a problem however if your PSU is turned in such a way that the intake fan is right below the radiator. If it's facing bottom like most cases nowadays, there won't be much damage to anything. You still have to replace the cooler.
 
However, if the unit leaks at the block, where it meets the CPU, then you're in trouble, even if you check for leaks frequently. The moment liquid is out of the block and on the motherboard, chances of frying the board skyrocket.
 
Technically, the liquid should be non-conductive. However, the reason why most boards end up fried is that the dust build up itself has materials that are conductive. When the liquid leaks and covers the dust, this is enough to cause it to become conductive.
 
Therefore if I can make a single suggestion for making sure even in the worst case scenario of a serious leak, damage could be avoided by keeping the dust build up on the motherboard to a minimum.
 
It would be a good idea to purchase an anti-static brush and frequently clean your system, brushing off the excess dust off the motherboard. Make sure that you clean everything else first (case, fans, etc) before you begin brushing, that way you don't stir up any leftover dust back onto the board.
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2012 at 3:02pm
Just for thoughts what Airflow HSF would you recommend for this build? I never leave mine on 24/7. 
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2012 at 3:35pm
I love the Cooler Master Hyper 212 heatsinks; low-cost effective solutions +1!
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  Quote vikonic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 5:29pm
Most aftermarket HSF seem to do really well. However, I'm with Joe on the Cooler Master HSFs because of their mounting bracket. I can safely say that we never ever had an issue shipping the system with a cooler master HSF. They use 4 screws on each side and are super solid. No matter what kind of beating the box might go through, the CM cooler always stays put.
 
This can't be said for some other coolers, such as prolimatech or Noctua. They are good coolers,  but their mounting mechanism usually relies on 2 screws. These screws tend to fail during shipping when the box is kicked or bounced around a lot.
 
When you have a large 120mm HSF on the loose during shipment, things aren't going to be pretty. It will usually cause damage to other components such as motherboard, video card, and memory.
 
Maybe I'm just a little paranoid based on the statistics, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Most HSF are meant to be installed on the system and then not moved. Shipping systems with large HSF already installed can be very difficult. The better the bracket system, the safer the system will be.
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  Quote stayghost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by vikonic

Most aftermarket HSF seem to do really well. However, I'm with Joe on the Cooler Master HSFs because of their mounting bracket. I can safely say that we never ever had an issue shipping the system with a cooler master HSF. They use 4 screws on each side and are super solid. No matter what kind of beating the box might go through, the CM cooler always stays put.
 
This can't be said for some other coolers, such as prolimatech or Noctua. They are good coolers,  but their mounting mechanism usually relies on 2 screws. These screws tend to fail during shipping when the box is kicked or bounced around a lot.
 
When you have a large 120mm HSF on the loose during shipment, things aren't going to be pretty. It will usually cause damage to other components such as motherboard, video card, and memory.
 
Maybe I'm just a little paranoid based on the statistics, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Most HSF are meant to be installed on the system and then not moved. Shipping systems with large HSF already installed can be very difficult. The better the bracket system, the safer the system will be.


AWESOME INFO!  Most people here are probably like me, scouring the net for weeks for the best info before pulling the trigger and I've never had it broken down like that as to why the evo is better than the Noc or Pro. Mint!
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 11:37am
What CM HSF do you suggest most for shipping
 
CM 212 plus or EVO
 
I looked but, forgot your breakdown of x79 motherboards
 
Asus x79 sabertooth and the Asus Rampage IV Extreme can you please give me a rundown on these boards again. Why you like one over the other better for the system above.
 
 


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  Quote vikonic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 2:24pm
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Every single CM HSF uses the same bracket system, whether you get 212, EVO or any other.
 
As for the Sabertooth vs Rampage IV, Sabertooth is a solid board meant for good performance, relability and compatibility in mind. For example, Sabertooth provides certain ports that are not found on the Rampage such as PCI slot, 1394 Firewire connector, etc. Meanwhile, Rampage aims to be the latest and greatest in terms of highest performance you can have. It has plenty of overclocking tools, and is geared towards the latest technology, therefore things such as PCI slots are missing. However, you do get extra features such as a bluetooth module and others. It also has Dual BIOS which can be handy if you do overclocking and things go wrong.
 
If those small differences do not matter, than my suggestion to go with the board that's least expensive, as these 2 aren't exactly miles apart in terms of features.
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 2:42pm
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crypt,
 
Every single CM HSF uses the same bracket system, whether you get 212, EVO or any other.
 
As for the Sabertooth vs Rampage IV, Sabertooth is a solid board meant for good performance, relability and compatibility in mind. For example, Sabertooth provides certain ports that are not found on the Rampage such as PCI slot, 1394 Firewire connector, etc. Meanwhile, Rampage aims to be the latest and greatest in terms of highest performance you can have. It has plenty of overclocking tools, and is geared towards the latest technology, therefore things such as PCI slots are missing. However, you do get extra features such as a bluetooth module and others. It also has Dual BIOS which can be handy if you do overclocking and things go wrong.
 
If those small differences do not matter, than my suggestion to go with the board that's least expensive, as these 2 aren't exactly miles apart in terms of features.
 
 
Vikonic,
 
     Thanks for filling me in again on these motherboards. I appreciate your time and really glad you visit this forum often. It really helps to us decide what parts we need or should get based on your experience building testing and shipping machines. Its also nice to learn and discuss everything in detail.
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Working with components day in and day out really helps us to sharpen our skill and knowledge in the custom PC department. You would think that using a larger CPU cooler, such as the Noctua or Prolimatech, would generate better results. It was both Vedran's, and myself, experience from starting with air-cooled systems and migrating to liquid cooling that cooling a processor with a heatsink and fan has limitations, regardless of design or size.

I started off with the following heatsink: THERMALTAKE Silent 1156 Cooling Fan
 
Vedran built his system using the following heatsink: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (an additional fan was added to it, creating a push/pull setup)
 
My idle temperatures were at 30-33c, as to where Vedrans where at 26-29c. That's a nice change based on the small increase in size and additional fan. However, when compared to Noctua and Prolimatech coolers, typical temperatures are around 25-28c on average. That's a very small decrease in temperature for paying almost 100-150% in price.
 
It was not until we were intrigued by liquid cooling where we say the largest difference. Both Vedran and I cool our processor and graphics cards in a single liquid cooling loop. Even with including the heat generated from our graphics cards, our CPU temperatures are anywhere between 26-30c at idle. 
 
I could go on all day about the differences between liquid cooling and air heatsinks, but really the point I want to make is this: Besides choosing a more moderately-sized heatsink and fan for safe shipping, there comes a limitation point for air heatsinks that cannot be beat. The coolermaster heatsinks seem to just touch that limitation, without a bloated price tag. Unless you plan on going with liquid cooling, you might as well save yourself the $30-$60 and keep your CPU in tact during shipment.
 
 
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 5:18pm
 How much are top 200mm HAF X exhaust fan?
 
Do you have to order one through coolermaster?
 
 


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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2012 at 5:27pm
Hello Crypt,
 
 
Cooler Master 200mm fans are usually around $25-$35, depending on where we can purchase them from. We don't have to purchase them directly from Cooler Master, many different places should list them and offer the fans, separate from the cases. I personally do not understand why case manufacturers, such as Cooler Master, Antec, NZXT, etc...do not offer more large side fans with their cases. Though they are typically not required entirely, it would still be a nice option to have and add to the "what if" factor.
 
Is there a particular reason as to why you require a larger 200mm fan? Most cases that provide the option for larger fans will also allow many smaller fans, although that tends to introduce more dust into the system. (If they are used as intake fans; the more intake fans, the more dust that will accumulate). So, if it is an intake fan, then one larger 200mm fan would be better to reduce the amount of dust. If it's an exhaust, you would be better off using many, smaller fans since they would push more air than a single, larger fan could.
 
 
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2012 at 5:35pm
I just wanted to add another fan on top of X case. Since I'm not going to add a side fan. I'll let you assist me on top fan option when I place my order. A smaller fan is fine dust thing is a solid point.
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 1:26pm
CASE: HAF X
PSU: Corsair ax1200
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS SABERTOOTH X79
MEMORY: Gskill {RipjawsZ} F3-12800CL10Q2-64GBBZL (8Gx8)
HSF: CM 212 EVO
CPU: 2011 I7 3930k
Videocard: EVGA GTX 690
STORAGE: (3) (All in friont bays)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Boot Drive)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Storage for down the road)
Vantec sata Hotswap 4 401ST  (Storage for down the road)
WD SATA III HD: Crucial 256gb M4 SSD
Soundcard: HT Omega eClaro pci-e x1
DVD Burner Plextor brand
DVD Blu Ray Burner Plextor Brand
CARD READER: AFT  57U
OS: Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
This looks like the rig I'm going to get this fall. 
 
Any experience with GSkill memory kits? How are their lifespan? I realize 64 GB barely gets me by :). I bet you'd prefer Corsair vengence 64 gb kit much more right?
 
I saw on your computer parts section you have a limited supply of EVGA GTX 690's hard to believe you actually have any?
 
Since I want my three HD's to use sata III ports I only have one more sataIII port left should I use it on Blu ray Burner or DVD Burner.  I use both equally.


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G-skill makes good kits, life-span is up to par with other quality brands and their support is also very good. They appear on compatibility charts for almost every major board manufacturer thus it means they're often tested during board productions. I personally prefer G-skill as that is what i have in all my systems. Joe on the other hand might be a Corsair fan, we'll let him chime in on that :)
 
G-skill has a bit lower profile than Corsair thus making it easier to install certain CPU coolers that would otherwise be in the way.
 
As for the 690GTX, I'm unsure of our actual stock number but these are supposed to be coming in fast given just a week or 2 from what I gather. This cards are going to crank out some insane numbers, I'm pretty excited to get a couple in RMA for testing and benchmarking purposes.
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