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  Quote BW85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Cooler Master HAF X or Corsair mid-tower?
    Posted: 17 May 2012 at 5:25pm
Hey all, I am narrowing down by case selections to either the HAF X or a Corsair medium-sized tower equivalent; the full-size is just a bit outside my price range. I've heard the HAF X is kind of a pain for future expansions, but the air cooling really is top notch. Both manufacturer's seem to be highly appreciated, according to reviews, but just can't seem to make up my mind.
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2012 at 12:24pm
Hello BW85,
 
 
The Corsair cases are very well designed, internally, and would be easy to work with in terms of expansion. I'm not a big fan of their hard drives bay, though; they're a little flimsy and we have had issues in the past with shipping full systems using a Corsair case. We have had to take extra precautions to make sure the hard drives are hard-mounted to the case, but then that takes away from the tool-less bay ease of use for our customers. If you're a big fan of neat and tidy cable management, I would also consider Corsair cases as they have many points for you to tuck cables away and keep them hidden.
 
On the other hand, Cooler Master has been in the case manufacturing game for a long, long time. They have tons of experience over most manufacturers and continue to implement their knowledge on a frequent basis with their case designs. I can understand where some individuals might say that cable management is difficult, but at the same time I think it's easier than smaller cases. I have a NZXT Vulcan case, with many custom liquid-cooling mods, and cable management has been a complete nightmare, but I was able to get it done regardless. Then, my father purchased a computer and decided on the Cooler Master HAF 932 case. As the wonderful son that I am, I pre-built most of it to help him out and performed wire management on the case with absolutely no headaches. There are tons of places to hide cables, everything is out in the open for you to get to (if need be) and my father actually complained about how cold the exhausted air is coming out of the case! My only gripe is that, while performing cable management, there were times were cables were actually to short to reach my intended destination. Many front-panel cables to mid-board USB headers, so adapters were needed, but I definitely think the positives out-weight negatives with the HAF series.
 
Bottom line, go with what you feel comfortable with. Don't listed to reviews, as most of them are based on opinions anyway. If you feel one case sticks out to you the most, and speaks to you more, then go with your instincts as you're less likely to wish you chose a different case. When I find myself in similar situations, as cliché as this may sound, I make a pros a cons list of hardware that I'm interested in. This helps you weigh the differences and decide if there are features that are deal-breakers, or those that make you completely forget about the negatives. From what I have seen, I like the following two cases by both manufacturers.:
 
 
 
 
 
 


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  Quote BW85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2012 at 12:29pm
Well said! :) If I decide to go with the HAF X, will AVA be able to provide adapters or whatever is/may be necessary if the cables are too short? Also, would it be wise to stick to Cooler Master cooling devices, or will a Corsair liquid cooler fit nicely into the case without causing a headache connecting other components?
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2012 at 12:33pm

Hello BW85,

 
Since it is our job to provide the best cable management, we will do what is necessary to ensure it makes sense. Smile
 
You don't have to deck your entire system out with Cooler Master, if you choose a case manufactured by them. You can mix and match brands and it will be perfectly alright; that's why we're a true custom builder!
 
 
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  Quote BW85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 11:30am
The picture when I select the HAF X has red lights, and obviously blue lights with the upgrade. I was wondering, does the standard HAF look just like the blue, except with red lights? Or does the lighting need to be purchased? Also, do the stock Cooler Master fans come with the LED lights?
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Hello BW85,
 
 
We currently offer two different styles of the Cooler Master HAX X cases; the standard version, and the other which lists "Blue Edition" in the title of the case. You can choose either or, depending on your color preference.
 
Yes, each case comes with a set of stock fans that will all have LED lights on them. The reason I recommend choosing the correct case, for your color preference, is because Cooler Master makes it pretty difficult to swap out some of the larger fans in the case. It's easier to choose a case, keep the stock color LED fans, and move forward rather than change them out. We do sometimes receive requests to have Cooler Master HAF cases without LEDs, and it tends to become difficult finding larger, compatible 230mm fans without LED lights.
 
Feel free to post any questions you may have, regarding these Cooler Master HAF cases. I'm a huge fan of the HAF case line, so I can answer any questions you have about them!
 
 
 
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  Quote BW85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 5:42pm
Ok, great! So if I pick the basic model, but modify my cooler fans to say, any color but red, you guys will switch out with the fans I've purchased, thus making it more personable? But, if I buy the blue edition, then there would be no need to modify the cooler fans to the blue LED, correct?

Also, I have heard issues that the fan filters are a real pain to get to and clean - is this true? As much as I hate dust, my house seems to blow it around almost freely. We have to dust almost every 3 days.

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Hello BW85,
 
 
Yes, typically we are able to do this with most cases, however the HAF cases are incredibly difficult to find replacement LED fans for; the larger 230mm fans only come in red and blue, in which Cooler Master has HAF versions for those two colors. Options like green or UV are not available as no manufacturer makes those colors in 230mm fan size. It would be easier to simply purchase the HAF version based on your color preference, to get the most out of the configuration without any complication.
 
Yes, fan filters are not the easiest to work with. The best way, as I have learned, is to use a can of compressed air to get all of the dust loose from the vents and hard-to-reach areas within the case. Then, have a vacuum handy and use a hose attachment to suck up any of the loose dust in your case. This method has worked well for me for years, so it should work well for you too!
 
 
 
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  Quote vikonic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2012 at 11:43am
BW85,

The more fans you have in your system the bigger the dust problem becomes. If the desktop is going to be sitting in a fairly dusty environment, it's recommended to invest into a cheap air compressor and a blow nozzle. Compressed air is most convenient way of cleaning, however if you have to do it often, buying cans over and over again might get pricey.

As far as dust filters, the reason I like them is they're easy to clean when humidity causes dust to stick on the filters. You can take it out and wash it, because compressed air won't always get it off. You can't do this with a fan, you might risk getting water inside and burning it out. I like to use a spare paint brush to get stuck dirt off fans that are not behind dust filters.

This is another reason why we do cable management the way we do. Making a perfectly clean passage for the air to go through means much less dust gets trapped around cables, components, etc. All of our systems maintain superior airflow to reduce the amount of dust that gets trapped inside.

However, regular cleaning is still recommended based on the environment that the system is in.
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2012 at 5:54pm
CM HAF X questions
 
1. Can those two Hotswap devices in front bays be removed completely and Vantec 401-ST hotswaps installed?
 
2. Can you add the other 230mm fan that isn't included on top or would it block one of the front bays.
 
3. Do I have to add a side panel fan? If I add another 230mm fan on top?
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Hello Crypt,
 
 
1. Sure, I don't see why not. They're no different from normal hot-swap bays. The only difference that I noticed, is the backplane that sits at the end of it, so it literally retains true hot-swap function without have to disconnect or reconnect any SATA connections.
 
2. The HAF X case has enough space up top for a 360mm Radiator (We have done that, with a previously customer's case, using an XSPC EX360 Radiator - XSPC-EX360-BK ) and there were no issues with space. This leads me to believe that adding another fan will be of no issue.
 
3. A side panel fan really is not necessary, unless you plan on having an extensive graphics card setup, like 2, 3, or 3-way SLI. A single intake fan is enough to ensure fresh air in a case. Adding more, at that point, is just inviting more dust into your system, thus requiring you to clean it more ofter. I would opt for another exhaust fan, at the top, rather than another intake on the side. Thumbs%20Up
 
 
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2012 at 2:19pm
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Hello Crypt,
 
 
1. Sure, I don't see why not. They're no different from normal hot-swap bays. The only difference that I noticed, is the backplane that sits at the end of it, so it literally retains true hot-swap function without have to disconnect or reconnect any SATA connections.
 
2. The HAF X case has enough space up top for a 360mm Radiator (We have done that, with a previously customer's case, using an XSPC EX360 Radiator - XSPC-EX360-BK ) and there were no issues with space. This leads me to believe that adding another fan will be of no issue.
 
3. A side panel fan really is not necessary, unless you plan on having an extensive graphics card setup, like 2, 3, or 3-way SLI. A single intake fan is enough to ensure fresh air in a case. Adding more, at that point, is just inviting more dust into your system, thus requiring you to clean it more ofter. I would opt for another exhaust fan, at the top, rather than another intake on the side. Thumbs%20Up
 
 
 
 
What about a single card: GTX 690 can I get away with no side fan? Yes I caved and bought a 690 :)


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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2012 at 3:47pm
Hello Crypt,
 
 
Definitely! A single GTX 690 will be alright without a side fan...Congrats on the purchase! I wish I would have saved for a GTX 690...I purchased the GTX 560 Ti 2win card, when I needed an upgrade...I ended up liquid cooling my system, and I had to create a custom cooling solution for it. If you're interested, I can drop you a link of what I did. Smile
 
 
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  Quote BW85 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2012 at 3:56pm
Hey Joe, which case/cooling setup did you say you have, again??
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  Quote Jmundy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2012 at 4:44pm
Hello BW85,
 
 
I have an NZXT Vulcan case, custom modified, with the following liquid cooling parts.
 
2 x RX240 XSPC radiators
MCP355 Swiftech pump w/XSPC reservoir
Swiftech Apogee CPU block
2 x XSPC universal GPU blocks (for my GTX 560 Ti 2win)
 
I also use primochill clear tubing with red coolant from Koolance.
 
I actually posted on a thread, in EVGA's forums, about the modifications I made to my graphics card for liquid cooling, since they do not make an official liquid cooling solution for it. I posted a shot of my case. You can't really see the radiators, but it will give you an idea of my setup.
 
 
 
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