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Core i7: NVidia SLI vs ATI CrossFireX |
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MattSlagle
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Topic: Core i7: NVidia SLI vs ATI CrossFireXPosted: 11 Nov 2008 at 2:14pm |
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Core i7: NVidia SLI vs ATI CrossFireX With X58 handling both SLI and CrossFireX, which is better for the Core i7/X58 platform.
With the Core i7 launch just literally a few days away, performance reports are flooding the internet. However, it takes a keen eye and a technology dictionary at hand to make sense of it all. It has come to light that SLI can be enabled on X58 motherboards by a simple certification by NVidia. There are no nForce 200 chips needed, so it begs the question why other non NVidia chipsets did not have SLI support. However, this review is not about pondering enabling SLI on other motherboards, it is about the performance between these two multi-GPU technologies. On the Intel platform, Intel has had much experience with the CrossFire technology, so that should be the prevailing winner. SLI is a new setup for non NVidia chips, so it should be interesting how this plays out. Also added to the mix is several other platforms to see just how much more performance the X58/Core i7 combo adds.
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themandalorian
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Posted: 11 Nov 2008 at 5:08pm |
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I'm still going to ATI, just because Tri SLI is a little much. I'm confident that ATI will release some good drivers :) They have the money now with all the sales to put some effort into them
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Posted: 12 Nov 2008 at 12:46am |
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Thanks for the info Matt I was going to ask this exact question. How are the XFX GTX 280 drivers for Vista 64 bit.
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MattSlagle
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 10:52am |
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PDWE,
Wether you get an XFX or eVGA card, the drivers are the same. NVidia makes the drivers, not the OEM companies. However, if the OEM makes certain enhancements which require driver changes, then yes the drivers could be different. But most of the time, the drivers are completely the same.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 4:10pm |
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I appreciate all the time and effort and info you provide here on this forum Matt it is a real help to us soon to be/already customers of Ava Direct. Thanks so much
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themandalorian
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 6:55pm |
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EVGA does have some kind of overclocking software i think
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MattSlagle
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Posted: 14 Nov 2008 at 10:02am |
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You can OC the cards, that is not the problem. The problem is that OC does almost nothing as at best, you can OC by 5% - 10% max. Even then you will have problems with stability and noise/heat issues as well. |
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themandalorian
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Posted: 15 Nov 2008 at 4:51am |
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I have heard of some strange things when people overclock a GTX 280, temps lowered by 1 degree celcius with higher clocks, and it gave better performance, funny. but yeah thats only that one card, i hear so many bad things about people trying to overclock the 4000 series from ATI |
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Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 11:19am |
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What bad things?
I once overclocked a 4870 X2 by 10% both GPU and memory. To make it stable, I did the fan hack that I wrote about by changing the bios. It ran stable and fine, and was at a constant 60 C without causing too much noise.
I was able to raise my 3DMark 06 score from 22,000 to 24,000 using a single card in a Core i7 system.
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themandalorian
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Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 7:09pm |
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Just having them die. Btw Matt have you seen the wind tunnel mod for that guys TJ07? If not i'll send it to you it's amazing. Anyways i did see a guy with great airflow in his case, replaced the thermal grease, and upped the fan speed and he was getting great temps. Also a guy had one of those cheap slot coolers, and dropped temps 10 C, i guess he had a cramped case |
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 11:02pm |
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I hope this is the thread that you wanted me to check out.
I can say a lot of things about this thread that many of the companies you guys are talking about don't like me to talk about. I tend to do this anyway.
1. the difference between an XFX and EVGA card 90% of the time is a sticker. I dig XFX's double warranty though and know a few people that work there that I like.
2. Most of those benchmarks were ran without AA or AF. I found that 4870X2's don't like running without AA and in some games you can really see it in 64-bit. Never again will I test without AA enabled below 2x. I may do it just to show what is going on but from what I could tell in my last two full system reviews this is a no no.
I hate to make points that the marketing guys make but honestly DX10.1 is a big selling point for AMD graphics, once game companies sit down and see what is going on they will adopt 10.1. The ones that don't won't because they are getting payola for being apart of The Way it is Meant to be Paid, err I mean Played.
Everything I have been told about the nV bridge chip is that is adds latency, build costs and is very hot. The last thing I want in my computer is more heat and power consumption. I can't even benchmark two i7 systems decked out on a 20 Amp circuit. I tried, it just doesn't work.
I am testing a system now with nV graphics and an nV chipset and it can't make it through my 4 hour Far Cry 2 tests without crashing. On the rare occasions when I do get time to game and get dug in to raise some hell I play a lot longer than 4 hours, usually more like 48 and I can't way I want to hit the reset butting every 3 hours.
And now that I brought that up I kind of feel the need to play some 2142...see you in two days, lol.
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themandalorian
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 12:27am |
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Thanks, But DX11 is coming soon. Isn't there some ATI generation that had hardware that would support DX11? I remember reading that somewhere, i hope if ATI does do a refresh on the 4000 series they put in some DX11 hardware :)
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 12:54am |
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http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3459&p=4 wow, EVGA performs the worst in gaming (such a small difference though). I've also seen every other board get some good overclocking results, so EVGA doesn't seem the BEST. And matt about the 16x 8x 8x, they said that's only when you do tri SLI, something like that. I know i'm not buying EVGA, unless maybe their upcoming board is better. What is a board that can run 16x 16x for quadfire, and if a third slot isn't taken up then it won't become 8x? sorry if i'm confusing, read anand's review and you'll know what i'm talking about though. |
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 1:05am |
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Actually i think what i want can be obtained. I just need the third PCI e 2.0 slot not filled up? The beastmaster system reviewed on Hexus has this i think, the sound card at the end of the board, and then the Killer M1 sandwiched between 2 4870 X2's, this way the bandwith isn't reduced. Hopefully the sideport thing for the 4870 x2 will come out soon :D oh and the EVGA board only uses 1333mhz ram? that's what it says |
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