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    Posted: 11 Nov 2008 at 2:14pm

Core i7:  NVidia SLI vs ATI CrossFireX

With X58 handling both SLI and CrossFireX, which is better for the Core i7/X58 platform.

With the Core i7 launch just literally a few days away, performance reports are flooding the internet.  However, it takes a keen eye and a technology dictionary at hand to make sense of it all.  It has come to light that SLI can be enabled on X58 motherboards by a simple certification by NVidia.  There are no nForce 200 chips needed, so it begs the question why other non NVidia chipsets did not have SLI support.

However, this review is not about pondering enabling SLI on other motherboards, it is about the performance between these two multi-GPU technologies.  On the Intel platform, Intel has had much experience with the CrossFire technology, so that should be the prevailing winner.  SLI is a new setup for non NVidia chips, so it should be interesting how this plays out.  Also added to the mix is several other platforms to see just how much more performance the X58/Core i7 combo adds.

 

Test Setup

Platform Core i7 965 Extreme Core 2 Extreme QX9770 Phenom X4 9950
Chipset

Intel X58

Intel X48

Nvidia nForce 790i SLI Ultra

AMD 790FX/SB750

Motherboard

ASUS Rampage II Extreme

Gigabyte EX58-Extreme

Intel DX48BT2

EVGA nForce 790i SLI Ultra

ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe

Video Card

GeForce GTX 280

Radeon HD 4870X2

GeForce GTX 280

Radeon HD 4870X2

Radeon HD 4870X2

Memory

6 GB DDR3-1333 7-7-7

(triple-channel)

4 GB DDR3-1600 7-7-7

(dual-channel)

4 GB DDR2-1066 5-5-5

(dual-channel)

Storage

Intel SSDSA2MH080G1GN 80 GB SSD

Optical

Lite-On DH-4O1S BD-ROM

Power

Cooler Master UCP 1100W

 

Test Results

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Benchmark Results: World in Conflict

 

From the results in this comparison, we see several things.  First off is that the AMD processor just does not scale very well.  It could be the chipset or the game could be processor limited.  Also, the ATI Crossfire does not scale as well in this game as does the GTX 280.

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

 

Benchmark Results: Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance

Looks like Supreme commander was written to directly take advantage of the Radeon video card architecture.  For some reason, there is no scaling from 2 to 3 GeForce cards.

 

Winner:  Core 2 and 4870 X2

 

Benchmark Results: Crysis 64-bit

Well, so much for ATI taking the crown.  While Crysis normally kills almost all high-end builds, we see that the GTX 280 and Core i7 mop the floor with Crysis.  While the highest resolution kills all the configs, at 1900 x 1200, you can see the clear winner. 

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

 

Benchmark Results: Crysis: Warhead

Again, we see much of the same thing as both these games are built on the Crytech game engine.  The GTX 280 steals the show with its power and the Core i7 shows its superiority to the Core 2.

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

 

Benchmark Results: Company of Heroes

This is more bad news for ATI fans.  Seems like Company of Heroes was again written directly for the GeForce line of cards.  NVidia does have that advantage as more companies have always supported them in favor of ATI.  Sometimes having better drivers and games written for your card is more important then overall power.

 

Winner:  GTX 280

 

Benchmark Results: Unreal Tournament 3

While playable across the board, we see that the two card setups actually perform better in this game.  Unreal may be somewhat dated, so better drivers and profiles may help with 3 and 4 GPU scaling.  The slightly better performance can be attributed to the Core i7.

 

Winner:  Core i7

 

Benchmark Results Far Cry 2

Fans of Far Cry 2 hoping that the new game engine would improve frame rates are sorely disappointed by the graph on the left.  While new games take some time to be fully utilized with better drivers and profiles, this is just horrible.  However, looks like Far Cry 2 takes great advantage of the Core i7 and GTX 280 combo.  Even below, we see the GTX 280 far better then 4870 X2 with a Core 2.

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

 

Benchmark Results: 3DMark Vantage

Take these ratings with a grain of salt.  With NVidia's built in GPU support for PhysX, it artificially inflates the CPU score portion of the testing.  Thus these results are skewed and cannot be taken seriously.  However, games that do include support for PhysX will see this benefit, although hardly any do.

 

Winner:  Doesn't matter

 

Averaging It All Out

We take all the average FPS and combine them to come up with this graph.  While some may buy hardw3are based on the games they own, some have to go on overall performance.  The AMD solution did not do that bad, but did not beat the Core 2 or Core i7 by a long shot.

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

Averaging It All Out (2)

Same as above, but takes into account AA and AF, something which I did not cover in this article.  You can see the full graphs and text on the original review website.

 

Winner:  Core i7 and GTX 280

 

Conclusions

To me, it looks like ATI now has to play catch-up again after having a few months of domination.  NVidia sales have dropped drastically due to shoddy chipsets and hardware.  While the GeForce cards have been amazing, their high prices and lack of good motherboards drove down prices and total sales.

 

With this new platform and great SLI scalability, looks like NVidia is gearing up for a good Q4 this year in terms of sales.  With the GTX line hitting rock bottom pricing, there is no reason not go SLI with this platform.  ATI needs to step it up with better drivers and game profiles if they want my vote of confidence in the coming months.

 

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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2008 at 5:08pm
I'm still going to ATI, just because Tri SLI is a little much. I'm confident that ATI will release some good drivers :) They have the money now with all the sales to put some effort into them
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2008 at 12:46am
Thanks for the info Matt I was going to ask this exact question. How  are the XFX GTX 280 drivers for Vista 64 bit. 

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  Quote MattSlagle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 10:52am
PDWE,
 
Wether you get an XFX or eVGA card, the drivers are the same.  NVidia makes the drivers, not the OEM companies.  However, if the OEM makes certain enhancements which require driver changes, then yes the drivers could be different.  But most of the time, the drivers are completely the same.
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  Quote crypt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 4:10pm

I appreciate all the time and effort and info you provide here on this forum Matt  it is a real help to us soon to be/already  customers of Ava Direct.

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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2008 at 6:55pm
EVGA does have some kind of overclocking software i think
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  Quote MattSlagle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2008 at 10:02am

You can OC the cards, that is not the problem.  The problem is that OC does almost nothing as at best, you can OC by 5% - 10% max.  Even then you will have problems with stability and noise/heat issues as well.

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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 2008 at 4:51am

I have heard of some strange things when people overclock a GTX 280, temps lowered by 1 degree celcius with higher clocks, and it gave better performance, funny.

but yeah thats only that one card, i hear so many bad things about people trying to overclock the 4000 series from ATI

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  Quote MattSlagle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 11:19am
What bad things?
 
I once overclocked a 4870 X2 by 10% both GPU and memory.  To make it stable, I did the  fan hack that I wrote about by changing the bios.  It ran stable and fine, and was at a constant 60 C without causing too much noise.
 
I was able to raise my 3DMark 06 score from 22,000 to 24,000 using a single card in a Core i7 system.
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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 7:09pm

Just having them die. Btw Matt have you seen the wind tunnel mod for that guys TJ07? If not i'll send it to you it's amazing.

Anyways i did see a guy with great airflow in his case, replaced the thermal grease, and upped the fan speed and he was getting great temps. Also a guy had one of those cheap slot coolers, and dropped temps 10 C, i guess he had a cramped case

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  Quote ChrisRam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 11:02pm
I hope this is the thread that you wanted me to check out.
 
I can say a lot of things about this thread that many of the companies you guys are talking about don't like me to talk about. I tend to do this anyway.
 
1. the difference between an XFX and EVGA card 90% of the time is a sticker. I dig XFX's double warranty though and know a few people that work there that I like.
 
2. Most of those benchmarks were ran without AA or AF. I found that 4870X2's don't like running without AA and in some games you can really see it in 64-bit. Never again will I test without AA enabled below 2x. I may do it just to show what is going on but from what I could tell in my last two full system reviews this is a no no.
 
I hate to make points that the marketing guys make but honestly DX10.1 is a big selling point for AMD graphics, once game companies sit down and see what is going on they will adopt 10.1. The ones that don't won't because they are getting payola for being apart of The Way it is Meant to be Paid, err I mean Played.
 
Everything I have been told about the nV bridge chip is that is adds latency, build costs and is very hot. The last thing I want in my computer is more heat and power consumption. I can't even benchmark two i7 systems decked out on a 20 Amp circuit. I tried, it just doesn't work.
 
I am testing a system now with nV graphics and an nV chipset and it can't make it through my 4 hour Far Cry 2 tests without crashing. On the rare occasions when I do get time to game and get dug in to raise some hell I play a lot  longer than 4 hours, usually more like 48 and I can't way I want to hit the reset butting every 3 hours.
 
And now that I brought that up I kind of feel the need to play some 2142...see you in two days, lol.
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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 12:27am
Thanks, But DX11 is coming soon. Isn't there some ATI generation that had hardware that would support DX11? I remember reading that somewhere, i hope if ATI does do a refresh on the 4000 series they put in some DX11 hardware :)
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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 12:54am

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3459&p=4

wow, EVGA performs the worst in gaming (such a small difference though).

I've also seen every other board get some good overclocking results, so EVGA doesn't seem the BEST. 

And matt about the 16x 8x 8x, they said that's only when you do tri SLI, something like that.

I know i'm not buying EVGA, unless maybe their upcoming board is better. What is a board that can run 16x 16x for quadfire, and if a third slot isn't taken up then it won't become 8x?

sorry if i'm confusing, read anand's review and you'll know what i'm talking about though.

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  Quote themandalorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 1:05am

Actually i think what i want can be obtained. I just need the third PCI e 2.0 slot not filled up?

The beastmaster system reviewed on Hexus has this i think, the sound card at the end of the board, and then the Killer M1 sandwiched between 2 4870 X2's, this way the bandwith isn't reduced. Hopefully the sideport thing for the 4870 x2 will come out soon :D

oh and the EVGA board only uses 1333mhz ram? that's what it says

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